CHINA vs the NBA.

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  1. jom2003

    jom2003 Well-Known Member

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    What good does free speech or democracy do if you dont have a job, medical care ,can't feed yourself or your family, are in fear of your own lives every day? That's why from what I understand, most NBA fans in China are willing to boycott the NBA in support of their government because they understand what they value the most.
     
  2. Ron Mexico

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    Most of the protestors were alive when the more brutal country controlled them. They were there for the transition. The protesters are not asking for Independence. Have you looked at what they are asking for?
     
  3. Kyoto

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    Funk China, except their cheap electronics and food, those can stay

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  4. aussietin

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    The core of one country two systems is that we want China to leave us the fk alone. They’re trying to interfere with us more and more, while trying to strong arm us into submission.

    Anyone with half a brain would see that Hong Kong as an individual country would be unrealistic given how much of our food, water, resources in general comes from China.

    But if they one country two systems policy is supposed to leave is under Chinese rule with a strong degree of autonomy, then give us autonomy and don’t use the Hong Kong government as a puppet (a extremely useless and stupid puppet). So in short, we generally just want to be left alone with a high degree of autonomy, which hopefully includes democratic elections for legislative council and chief executive.
     
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  5. aussietin

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    Don’t know why this 1% of Chinese population is a point at all. I don’t consider myself as Chinese anymore anyhow. I’m from Hong Kong and that’s that. You’ll never hear me introduce myself or admit myself as Chinese anymore.

    Very very very few people are pro communist in Hong Kong except the people that came from China. Pro government supporters are pro stability due to financial vested interests. If China economy dies, you can bet there will be a huge migration of the ‘pro communists’ that you speak of.

    The violent protestors are generally all young and lower in the socioeconomic bracket because the wealth gap and affordability of housing in Hong Kong is so bad, which is where a lot of the grievances behind these protests come from. Democracy is but one of many things that is behind these protests. The city is controlled by the rich (coming from a family that is decently well off, so this doesn’t even apply to me), and they’re rich because of China so they are willing to bend over and get fked from behind by them. That’s another key reason the younger generation hates China.
     
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  6. aussietin

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    Xinjiang concentration camps disagree
     
  7. aussietin

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    They’re also ridiculously narrow minded an unable to make educated judgements. A lot of other large countries are incredibly ignorant (USA is a big culprit here) because of ethnocentrism, but at least it’s by choice and not by censorship.
     
  8. jom2003

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    yeah, same argument. 1-3 million people makes up to about 0.2% of Chinese population. Even every single one of them disagrees, what difference would that make? Even the KKK still exists in the US today. Are they relevant from a macro perspective?
     
  9. jom2003

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    really? i thought you are an aussie lol. And you said very few people are pro communist in Hong Kong, do you have data to back it up? I know Ron said about 70% of them were pro government in Hong Kong or something like that(just him, even I find that number a bit hard to believe).

    but if you google words like "pro police rally hong kong" and you'll find videos of people gathering in thousands in support of the Hong Kong government and police. that doesn't seem "very very very few" to me.
     
  10. jom2003

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    well, not just China, if ANY country's economy collapses, the country itself would die along with it in almost all cases with the US being one of the very few exceptions. That's what is great about our country. But like i said earlier, China does OWN the buying power at the moment. Nobody would've even had this conversation if it were countries like Turkey or Vietnam trying to boycott the NBA. It is sad but true.
     
  11. jom2003

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    you think censorship doesn't exist here in the US? Well just moments ago ESPN cut out Stephen A when he started talking politics. That is CENSORSHIP for you. Not to mention years ago Kanye got cut out for telling "Bush doesn't care about black people" on TV. Doc said it best, "free speech does not mean free consequences." People somehow believes the right to free speech would miraculously bring solutions to all real life problems. Unfortunately it does not.
     
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  12. aussietin

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    Yeah thousands of people people gathered for police rally compared to 1.3 million for anti extradition rally. You do the math.

    Pro communist and pro money are two very different things. People support China because it gives them stable wealth. You’re also conflating pro government with supporting one country two systems which couldn’t be more wrong.
     
  13. aussietin

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    No but people have the chance to educate themselves and have access to information
     
  14. aussietin

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    If 3 million people are being deprived of the most basic human rights, you can be damn sure it matters and should make a difference.
     
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  15. Rubashov

    Rubashov Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Excellent perspective from our man @aussietin. Would rep.
     
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  16. jom2003

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    Only thousands showed up doesn't necessarily mean there were only thousands who were pro government. In fact for most protests in Hong Kong I've only seen hundreds showed up in videos, but that doesn't mean there were only hundreds of protsters. Again, it was you who said "very very very few" of them were pro-Communist in Hong Kong, do you have actual stats to back it up?

    And would you mind if I ask, what is the difference between pro-government and pro one country two systems? Aren't one country two system the Chinese Communist government's idea? By giving support to either the HongKong government or Chinese central Communist government, doesn't that make you a supporter of the "one country two system"?
     
  17. jom2003

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    Same thing can be said about people in China though. See there is this thing called VPN. And based on what I've seen when I visited there, VPN was pretty commonly used and made available to most people, at least in a major city like Shanghai. There are even hotels in Shanghai that provide foreigner like me with automatic access to VPN. It's built-in to the WIFI, so I can access websites like Youtube, facebook, Google with no issue at all. All governments practice censorship to a certain extend. Some are just stricter than others.
     
  18. jom2003

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    You missed the point. Of course it makes a difference to everyone in this world, but not to the Chinese in the grand scheme of things. And unfortunately that's all it matters. We can sit here and talk all day about everything that is wrong with the Chinese government and its Communist regime, but: 1 they are currently doing great economically. 2 the majority of people in China support their government at the moment. Some people simply don't care about other things unless those things would make direct impact to their lives.
     
  19. Eminence

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    If approximately a quarter of adults are turning out to protest against something you can be pretty damn sure that thing isn't very well supported in that country.
     
  20. JimLes

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    It's a trademark of oppressive regimes and populists of all stripes to make this a binary choice. You make it sound like free speech and democracy are antithetical to jobs, medical care, or security. You don't have to choose one over the other. Not in China, not anywhere.
     

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