Its Time to Tank

[ONE LOVE]

Because the Lakers and Wolves were desperate.

And we were..... (say it with me)... T-a-n-k-i-n-g ....

 

[HermanG]

And we were..... (say it with me)... T-a-n-k-i-n-g ....

I told you its a terminology debate. Define tanking. Is it any trade that makes you worse?

If yes, then we disagree on the term.
If no, then define the line between "rebuilding move" and "tanking move"

 

[ONE LOVE]

I told you its a terminology debate. Define tanking. Is it any trade that makes you worse?

If yes, then we disagree on the term.
If no, then define the line between "rebuilding move" and "tanking move"

To me if the move is NOT designed to give us more wins and a better chance at making the playoffs THIS year, then it’s tanking for THAT year.

 

[Udidthizz]

Lauri total win shares are 7.7 according to basketball reference. That is 10th in the league which is amazing considering how many more wins some of the teams got.

.... aaaaaand Kessler is at 5.4 which ranks tied 36th with Kyrie just behind Ja (5.5) and Steph (5.5)

WS/48 Kessler is 15th and Lauri is 20th.

Those numbers for Kessler as a rookie center are unreal.

 

[MT Steve]

To me if the move is NOT designed to give us more wins and a better chance at making the playoffs THIS year, then it’s tanking for THAT year.

The Jazz were going to make that trade regardless of if they owned their own pick this year or not.

 

[ONE LOVE]

The Jazz were going to make that trade regardless of if they owned their own pick this year or not.

It’s nothing to do with our own pick or not.. it’s whether the move takes us AWAY from making the playoffs or not this year.

Again I would argue that trading away 3 of your starters just as the playoffs race heats up equates to doing just that.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

So sad that we are still arguing tanking or not tanking after that trade. Everything we traded is worth way more than a top 4 protected pick 4 years away. Lol only on jazzfanz.

 

[LogGrad98]

I told you its a terminology debate. Define tanking. Is it any trade that makes you worse?

If yes, then we disagree on the term.
If no, then define the line between "rebuilding move" and "tanking move"

Ancillary tanking. Peripheral tanking. Parallel tanking. Tangential tanking.

I like these. rebuild and tank tangentially.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The Jazz were going to make that trade regardless of if they owned their own pick this year or not.

Sir... are you hanging out with Dr. Strange and have the ability to evaluate multiple timelines?

Please tell me why we would do that trade if we did not own our pick?

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Ancillary tanking. Peripheral tanking. Parallel tanking. Tangential tanking.

I like these. rebuild and tank tangentially.

I got all sorts of parellel and tangential last night.

Look folks, if we are tanking then the record shows it regardless of the moves we make. The record doesn't show it, hence the debate.

If we make the playoffs playing Johnny Juzang, Fon"Techya!", and Dok, then the league owes us a top 3 T-Wolves pick this year. Nuf said.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The truly hilarious part is that if the Lakers are as awful as projected there's a fantastic chance the Blazers just got 5x the value for GP2 that we got for Conley/Beasley/Vanderbilt.

But don't take my word for it. Even the Utah Jazz subreddit which is a bastion for super optimistic/homerism takes universally hates this trade.

Here is @MT Steve bitching about the terrible value we got at the trade deadline... on a trade we were going to do even if we had our own pick.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

How many games do we have to lose out of the next 20 to be in the bottom 5 in the league? It is getting mathmetically challenging in my mind.

 

[fishonjazz]

How many games do we have to lose out of the next 20 to be in the bottom 5 in the league? It is getting mathmetically challenging in my mind.

Bottom 5? lolololololololololol.
unpossible my dude

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

How many games do we have to lose out of the next 20 to be in the bottom 5 in the league? It is getting mathmetically challenging in my mind.

It’s impossible basically. 7-9 is the realistic range and it’s not entirely up to us. I don’t think we will be as nefarious as other teams.

 

[Eddie Zero]

How many games do we have to lose out of the next 20 to be in the bottom 5 in the league? It is getting mathmetically challenging in my mind.

How many intentional losses would it take to inspire the Finnisher to ask to be traded is the real q.
I don't think you can discount this roster in general, despite the losses of early season starters seeming like tank moves, as being in the front offices eyes anyway. a playoff team right now ,.just because of 3 players. Finnisher, Kessler and Clarkson.
Losing one game to the Spurs might give the tank crowd some hope, but you aint gonna be happy at this point. They want to win.

 

[sip]

Sir... are you hanging out with Dr. Strange and have the ability to evaluate multiple timelines?

Please tell me why we would do that trade if we did not own our pick?

That is definitely a strange post. If the jazz didn't own their pick this year then you can 100% guarantee we don't make that trade. That trade was specifically designed to get a better pick this year.

 

[Korisfani]

How many games do we have to lose out of the next 20 to be in the bottom 5 in the league? It is getting mathmetically challenging in my mind.

23.

Just thinking about how to undertake the Magic, the number might be 17.

But now the Lakers are without LeBron, AD and Russell - and LeBron and AD might be out for longer. And that's just one of the teams in the same race. Also means that the final stretch might be easy wins for the Jazz.

 

[sip]

Bottom 5? lolololololololololol.
unpossible my dude

Yep. Almost impossible now. We had to lose the raptor, pacer and thunder games to make it happen. Six is still a possibility but we would have to crash seriously hard. Most likely I think we are looking at 8 to 10 which I would still be happy with. If we would have just lost the raptor and thunder games we would be sitting perfect right now at 29 and 34.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That is definitely a strange post. If the jazz didn't own their pick this year then you can 100% guarantee we don't make that trade. That trade was specifically designed to get a better pick this year.

Its even stranger when you consider he was the leader of the people whining about how ****** the trade was from a value perspective. Pretty funny stuff.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The Jazz were going to make that trade regardless of if they owned their own pick this year or not.

Yup, I agree with this sentiment and think it's why overall the tanking term probably shouldn't be used for Utah.

At the end of the day there hasn't been any clear tank move where getting worse was the primary motivator of the move.