But chemicals are bad. CHEMICALS!!!!
John Stockton Claims Medicine is Bad
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MVP
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How is acupuncture far more useful? Please show me at least one peer reviewed study showing acupuncture superiority over traditional medicine?
SteakNEggs
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Why don't you watch it and see what he was saying? Let's hear exactly where he said he is against traditional medicine like you literally fabricated... I was paraphrasing 6-8 minutes of conversation not a 1 minute cut up you took out of context. He never claims traditional medicine is wrong... He's saying there are MANY other methods than just killing the pain with chemicals. BTW acupuncture IS traditional medicine lol. My goodness the level of dumb. Acupuncture has been around since 2500 BCE and has been a practice here since the 1700's. I mean are you serious here?!
Pain relief
The effectiveness of acupuncture analgesia has already been established in clinical studies. When compared to dummy treatments of placebo, acupuncture is effective in treatment of chronic pain. In chronic pain it may be comparable to morphine as well.Because of the side-effects of long-term drug therapy for pain and the risks of dependence, acupuncture is emerging as the analgesia or pain reliever of choice in long term joint or arthritis pain as well. This includes cervical spondylitis or neck pain, periarthritis of the shoulder, fibromyalgia, fasciitis, epicondylitis (tennis elbow), low back pain, sciatica, osteoarthritis with knee pain etc.
Acupuncture is beneficial in the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis as well. Compared to standard treatment with drugs like allopurinol, acupuncture has been shown to be effective in gout as well. Plum-blossom needling together with cupping (depressurized cup application on skin) has been recommended for treating gouty arthritis.
The use of acupuncture for treating chronic pain of the head and face has been studied. Acupuncture has been shown to work in tension headache, migraine and other kinds of headache. Chronic facial pain, including craniomandibular disorders of muscular origin may also be treated with acupuncture.
Pain after injury or trauma or surgery
For injuries such as sprains acupuncture is not only useful for relieving pain but also additionally does not pose the risk of drug dependence and hastens recovery.Acupuncture analgesia to relieve postoperative pain is well studied and proven in studies. Acupuncture has been widely used in dentistry. Acupuncture helps relieve postoperative pain from various dental procedures, including tooth extraction, pulp devitalization and periodontitis.
How Effective is Acupuncture?
There have been clinical studies evaluating if acupuncture actually works. There is research on mechanisms involved and how the therapy works and also provides important information on efficacy.
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From what I have seen (and saying it works or doesn't is a vast oversimplification) it appears that there are some completely un-understood benefits to acupuncture for treating some conditions, however, I haven't seen any real studies that compare it to traditional Western medicine. It seem to be good for chronic pain more than anything else, especially the kinds that the Drs also can't find a specific cause for, at least from a quick glance at these results.
Acupuncture: Effectiveness and Safety
Information about acupuncture, including its safety and effectiveness in treating pain and other conditions.
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I love how he acts like physical therapists are these bad actors. What he describes what they should be doing is… “get the joints and tendons to work the way they should” is like what they actually do. It’s anecdotal I know, but the two times I’ve been to physical therapy, never have the therapists said, “ha! We’re gonna trick X muscle to work differently to compensate for X injury! Down these chemicals, bottoms up! Muhahaha!”
They’ve always worked to get the joints, tendons, ligaments, and muscles to work how they’re supposed to work. That’s like… what therapy does. I literally had to be retaught how to walk, run, and jump when recovering from a bad ankle sprain.
Also, “only now with these chemicals, ibprofin screwing up brains…” yeah cuz Junior Seau and Jim McMann have suffered only now cuz chemicals. Or something. Stockton knows all too well the rube crowd he’s pandering to. They slurp this diarrhea right up.
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I read a book not too long ago about using eastern medicine’s viruses to attack drug resistant bacteria. She used them to save her husband. It was really interesting.From what I have seen (and saying it works or doesn't is a vast oversimplification) it appears that there are some completely un-understood benefits to acupuncture for treating some conditions, however, I haven't seen any real studies that compare it to traditional Western medicine. It seem to be good for chronic pain more than anything else, especially the kinds that the Drs also can't find a specific cause for, at least from a quick glance at these results.
Acupuncture: Effectiveness and Safety
Information about acupuncture, including its safety and effectiveness in treating pain and other conditions.www.nccih.nih.gov
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SteakNEggs
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How many severe ankle sprains did John have? @The Thriller @MVP what part do you disagree with?
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MVP
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Why don't you watch it and see what he was saying? Let's hear exactly where he said he is against traditional medicine like you literally fabricated... I was paraphrasing 6-8 minutes of conversation not a 1 minute cut up you took out of context. He never claims traditional medicine is wrong... He's saying there are MANY other methods than just killing the pain with chemicals. BTW acupuncture IS traditional medicine lol. My goodness the level of dumb. Acupuncture has been around since 2500 BCE and has been a practice here since the 1700's. I mean are you serious here?!
Pain relief
The effectiveness of acupuncture analgesia has already been established in clinical studies. When compared to dummy treatments of placebo, acupuncture is effective in treatment of chronic pain. In chronic pain it may be comparable to morphine as well.
Because of the side-effects of long-term drug therapy for pain and the risks of dependence, acupuncture is emerging as the analgesia or pain reliever of choice in long term joint or arthritis pain as well. This includes cervical spondylitis or neck pain, periarthritis of the shoulder, fibromyalgia, fasciitis, epicondylitis (tennis elbow), low back pain, sciatica, osteoarthritis with knee pain etc.
Acupuncture is beneficial in the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis as well. Compared to standard treatment with drugs like allopurinol, acupuncture has been shown to be effective in gout as well. Plum-blossom needling together with cupping (depressurized cup application on skin) has been recommended for treating gouty arthritis.
The use of acupuncture for treating chronic pain of the head and face has been studied. Acupuncture has been shown to work in tension headache, migraine and other kinds of headache. Chronic facial pain, including craniomandibular disorders of muscular origin may also be treated with acupuncture.
Pain after injury or trauma or surgery
For injuries such as sprains acupuncture is not only useful for relieving pain but also additionally does not pose the risk of drug dependence and hastens recovery.
Acupuncture analgesia to relieve postoperative pain is well studied and proven in studies. Acupuncture has been widely used in dentistry. Acupuncture helps relieve postoperative pain from various dental procedures, including tooth extraction, pulp devitalization and periodontitis.
How Effective is Acupuncture?
There have been clinical studies evaluating if acupuncture actually works. There is research on mechanisms involved and how the therapy works and also provides important information on efficacy.
LOL, that is not peer reviewed studies but just anecdotal claims.
As of 2021 many thousands of papers had been published on the efficacy of acupuncture for the treatment of various adult health conditions, but there was no robust evidence it was beneficial for anything, other than evidence for shoulder pain and fibromyalgia - and none of the evidence that it would be superior to traditional medicine. For Science-Based Medicine, Steven Novella wrote that the overall pattern of evidence was reminiscent of that for homeopathy, compatible with the hypothesis that most, if not all, benefits were due to the placebo effect, and strongly suggestive that acupuncture had no beneficial therapeutic effects at all.
Of course all acupuncture practicing quacks will tell you how effective it is - yet that is how placebo works! Same like homeopathy - complete quackery with zero effect yet millions of dollars earned from naive people believing in that nonsense.
SteakNEggs
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MVP
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That is the problem with you - you are referring to lack of ankle sprains of one athlete like some kind of scientific fact or proof to your nonsense statement. That is not how science works.
MVP
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Where did I say that advil and morphine will cure ankle sprain? Certainly will relieve pain better than acupuncture though.
SteakNEggs
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That's what John is saying......... That the drugs did nothing but hide the pain. Things like physical therapy, acupuncture, eating right, and taking care of yourself is far more critical then masking injuries with chemicals. You all are taking his words and twisting them to hate. He's not hating modern medicine. He's making a point that people get injured because they take pain meds to mask the pain instead of actually address and prevent the injury.