Game Thread Oct 13, 2021 07:00PM MT: Jazz vs. Bucks (Preseason)

[fishonjazz]

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Oni the only player that would actually pass to Gobert from 18 feet out to create in a end of shot clock situation lmfao. It gave us that wet jumper tho.

I didn't get to see that play so thanks for that. Don't ever want to miss a gobert jumpshot

 

[GVC]

Butler looks pretty damn big to me. What are their height and weight comparisons?

Combine measurements:

Deron
Height w/o shoes: 6'1.75''
Weight: 202.4
Wingspan: 6'6.25''
Standing reach: 8'2''

Jared
Height w/o shoes: 6'2.25''
Weight: 193.0
Wingspan: 6'4''
Standing reach: 8'2.5''

So Butler's a tiny bit taller, but Deron had broader shoulders and 10 more lbs of weight.

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[Isaiah 1:13]

His post up alone would be absolutely huge. Next time teams want to try 5 wide we make them pay down low. Even Paschall with his wider frame is capable.

Seems like we've got an answer for every strategy they can throw at us now! Bring on the small ball or the bully ball, we ready!!!

I just hope Quin is able to read it in real time and make the necessary substitutions to counter, instead of just playing to rank as he sometimes tends to do. We've got the swiss army knife now so let's not use the knife end to turn the screws!

 

[KqWIN]

So you mean he would be let go for free just like Niang?

He will be **** on even if he plays good basketball. I must be have watched a different game, because he was really good in the second half. He made several defensive plays, pushed the ball well, and even made good passes out of attacking closeouts.

Don't get me wrong, Oni is not as good as Jared Butler, but that doesn't mean he should be immediately cut like I've been seeing all preseason. People relentlessly **** on Niang even when he was playing well. They made up his mind that he couldn't play, so there was nothing he could do to change that opinion. Same thing is happening with Oni. I definitely want to see Butler play instead regardless of the lineup composition, but it's understandable why Oni might play because we are dying to have that Royce O'Neale type on the floor at all times. Flaws and all.

Just last year people were so excited about Oni thinking he was a lockdown defender. Maybe it's because I could tell he wasn't that I'm less disappointed in him, but he's still a good defender nonetheless. He's not as good on ball as you would hope because he takes bad angles and is mostly reliant on his athleticism to recover, but the flip side of that is that he is really great at defending on close outs and covering space with his speed and length.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Butler looks pretty damn big to me. What are their height and weight comparisons?

They arent actually that far from each other, but Dwill has a good 15 lbs on him and a 3'' longer wingspan.

 

[NAOS]

Does Jared Butler have flairs of D-Will? Obviously doesnt have the huge body of D-Will that was key to his signature style, but I don't think anyone has had as satisfying a crossover on the Jazz as Butler since D-Will. Plus he has vision and willingness to pass.

Yeah that crossover is filthy af.

 

[LogGrad98]

Did kanter get min ahead of Rudy?

Did AB get min ahead of Donovan?

Did Lyles get min ahead of Jingles?

Did Bradley get min ahead of Royce?

Even the Great Georges Niang, aka Quin's son, did not get minutes ahead of Jeff Green until DL cut Jeff to force Quin play him more, and we know how that worked out for us.

Trust me, we wouldn't even be having this conversation about Quin if your worry is warranted cuz he would already haven been triple fired for burying Rudy/Jingles/Donovan/Royce back in 2015 or 2018, just like Corbin. Compared to ty Corbin and Dennis Lindsey, Quin's the least of my concern when it comes to judging talent cuz record shows time and time again that the man knows his ****.

You don't understand the concept of "if", do you?

 

[Thejazzkickazz]

Combine measurements:

Deron
Height w/o shoes: 6'1.75''
Weight: 202.4
Wingspan: 6'6.25''
Standing reach: 8'2''

Jared
Height w/o shoes: 6'2.25''
Weight: 193.0
Wingspan: 6'4''
Standing reach: 8'2.5''

So Butler's a tiny bit taller, but Deron had broader shoulders and 10 more lbs of weight.

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The difference in weight was about 10 lbs of goo on Dwill. Butler is pure muscle, Dwill never looked like he was in peak shape.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Does Jared Butler have flairs of D-Will? Obviously doesnt have the huge body of D-Will that was key to his signature style, but I don't think anyone has had as satisfying a crossover on the Jazz as Butler since D-Will. Plus he has vision and willingness to pass.

The handles and movement to resemble some D-Will movements. I think he floats a bit more smoothly and D-Will was more forceful. He seems great at setting his guy up. Not sure who pre-maturely ducked the pick on his dunk but I think it was Jrue... the quick move to the straight line drive and dunk had some flashes of D-Willness.

He's very cerebral and seems to be able to get whatever he wants... less chaotic than the JC get buckets method. You could tell he was trying to set other guys up because he had room to take about 12 pullup threes last night.

Donovan has some ankle breakers but its more about his body movement than handles... Butler has great handles and the herky jerky movements that are gonna be tough to guard. If he perfects the pullup three his ceiling is wild (assuming health etc.).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So last night it seemed like the way they tried to beat switches was for the ball handler to wait for the big to get in rebounding position and then put up a pullup three over the big... They weren't able to get a board doing this but Hassan drew a foul. It looked intentional to me like the bigs new they were supposed to crash hard in that instance and it was part of the plan. They also threw it to them a couple times when they dove to the rim and sealed off the defender. It was somewhat productive.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Back to Butler... I have shared it before... will continue sharing it... everytime I watched Baylor to check on Mitchell I came away more impressed with Butler. His numbers were good last night but he didn't even have a great shooting game. Kid is just crazy skilled and smart for a rookie.

 

[infection]

Back to Butler... I have shared it before... will continue sharing it... everytime I watched Baylor to check on Mitchell I came away more impressed with Butler. His numbers were good last night but he didn't even have a great shooting game. Kid is just crazy skilled and smart for a rookie.

His cross-court passes are wild.