Thread for responding to transphobic comments

[SteakNEggs]

Agreed. Which is why engaging with them is so pointless. I wish posters tempted to engage with trolls would take into consideration the other normal posters. Many of us would prefer to not have to sift through pages and pages of crap, where a poster fixates in refuting every line the troll makes. It creates pages and pages of worthless dialogue that normal posters must sift through when reading through threads. It also generates the negative attention that the troll craves.

If a poster wants to engage with a troll, they can do so in a private manner rather than spam the entire forum. Right?

Troll-troll-make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them:

 

[SteakNEggs]

Trans Teen Hatches Nefarious Plot To Undergo Years Of Medical Treatments And Counseling To Win At Swimming

STOCKTON, CA—Cackling as the steps of the dastardly plan crystallized in her mind, local trans teen Brie Chandler told reporters Tuesday that she had hatched a nefarious plot to undergo years of medical treatments and counseling to win at swimming. “It’s oh, so simple: several years of...

www.theonion.com

Transphobe. You hate Trans people. I'm just going to start using your childish tactic you transphobe. You fell for an onion article. Fitting for a pathological lying troll. How embarrassing that you fell for a satire article.

 

[gandalfe]

Agreed. Which is why engaging with them is so pointless. I wish posters tempted to engage with trolls would take into consideration the other normal posters. Many of us would prefer to not have to sift through pages and pages of crap, where a poster fixates in refuting every line the troll makes. It creates pages and pages of worthless and repetitive dialogue that normal posters must sift through when reading through threads. It’s really tedious. It also generates the negative attention that the troll craves.

If a poster wants to engage with a troll and/or refute their pts line on line, they can do so in a private manner rather than spam the entire forum. Right?

I dunno, I think it can be useful to see others refute their points. The point of a public debate is not to change the mind of the person you're debating, but the spectators. I don't know that this particular debate is really educating anyone, given that everyone has probably decided where they are on this topic, and probably won't change their minds specifically based on arguments from JazzFanz, but I am, at least in theory, in favor of debates.

But in this particular case, given how many people probably (hopefully) have him blocked, we're just seeing refutations of points we can't see.

 

[One Brow]

Agreed. Which is why engaging with them is so pointless.

Yet I will persistin engaging, expecting the trolls not to change at all.

If a poster wants to engage with a troll and/or refute their pts line on line, they can do so in a private manner rather than spam the entire forum. Right?

That's a possibility. Another option is to devote a thread to it, with the express purpose of allowing those not interested in seeing the exchange to just bypass the thread. Even if the trolls complain about the existence of said thread, no one else has to hear it.

 

[The Thriller]

I dunno, I think it can be useful to see others refute their points. The point of a public debate is not to change the mind of the person you're debating, but the spectators. I don't know that this particular debate is really educating anyone, given that everyone has probably decided where they are on this topic, and probably won't change their minds specifically based on arguments from JazzFanz, but I am, at least in theory, in favor of debates.

But in this particular case, given how many people probably (hopefully) have him blocked, we're just seeing refutations of points we can't see.

certainly it can when both sides are engaged in good faith arguments. Right? As you said, “in theory” this can be helpful. But haven’t we grown wise to the game these trolls are playing?

What are we seeing at this pt? Is what we’re seeing public debate? Or is what we’re seeing spamming of threads under the facade of “correcting the trolls” line by line?

It looks to me like we have almost a symbiotic relationship where a handful of troll accounts created by one poster are purposely spamming the site with the explicit motive to illicit responses from him. It creates 2-3 pages per day of repetitive material that the rest of us must tediously sift through. Is this helpful? This is “public debate” to you?

 

[One Brow]

So what did One Brow do to keep the debate civil? Nothing, he escalated it, right from the start. 3 times.

That wasn't the start of the discussion, nor @SteakNEggs first post in this thread. Context matters.

To be clear, the implication that trans women don't belong in women's sport relies on them not being women in some sense, which is transphobic at it's heart. It's the same attitude that makes trans women the victims of hate crimes. It's the same attitude that denies health care to trans children, and allows him to utter the like of 'Child molesters that want to call you "transphobic" to hide what they really want. I hope more and more victims of these pro-molesters start suing'.

If professional/compensatory athletic leagues (this includes those that offer scholarships as compensation) want to place restrictions on athletes based on testosterone levels or similar notions, I don't have an objection. That notion that amateur women athletes need to have their rights protected from other amateur women athletes who have a different medical history is perverse, unfair, and discriminatory, plain and simple.

I identified the level of the discourse @SteakNEggs was operating at, without the need or desire to escalate. If anything, considering the first paragraph of his first comment in this thread, I have been restrained.

 

[gandalfe]

certainly it can when both sides are engaged in good faith arguments. Right? As you said, “in theory” this can be helpful. But haven’t we grown wise to the game these trolls are playing?

What are we seeing at this pt? Is what we’re seeing public debate? Or is what we’re seeing spamming of threads under the facade of “correcting the trolls” line by line?

It looks to me like we have almost a symbiotic relationship where a handful of troll accounts created by one poster are purposely spamming the site with the explicit motive to illicit responses from him. It creates 2-3 pages per day of repetitive material that the rest of us must tediously sift through. Is this helpful? This is “public debate” to you?

I think One wanted to continue the discussions but try to keep it contained to a single, easily ignorable, thread. If you remember, there were multiple discussions going on in multiple unrelated threads about trans issues.

 

[Bucknutz]

That wasn't the start of the discussion, nor @SteakNEggs first post in this thread. Context matters.

It does matter. Again it was a new discussion, him posting a tweet. He didn't tag you on it, it wasn't a response to a post you made. Context does matter. Yes, it's the same forum, yet a different news story. Context matters.

 

[The Thriller]

I think One wanted to continue the discussions but try to keep it contained to a single, easily ignorable, thread. If you remember, there were multiple discussions going on in multiple unrelated threads about trans issues.

But OB isn’t just engaging with trolls in this one thread, right? Nearly every General Discussion thread is flooded with a troll with multiple accounts spamming the site and OB feeds this troll with line by line rebuttals. I believe that feeding this troll degrades the quality of discussion for the entire site as this troll has zero interest in discussing in good faith subjects from Ukraine to trans issues. All he cares about is generating negative attention. He proves this on a daily basis.

 

[One Brow]

It does matter. Again it was a new discussion, him posting a tweet. He didn't tag you on it, it wasn't a response to a post you made. Context does matter. Yes, it's the same forum, yet a different news story. Context matters.

You agree context matters, and then trying to separate this news story from the previous context of SteakNEggs posts. However, his latest post is yet another in a long line of transphobic posts, and that has to be included in the context. Even the choice of news articles used sits steeped in transphobia.

If Gameface had posted an article on the same event (he would have chosen a different source), we would have shared mutual relief at seeing this woman's acceptance. If you had posted them, I would have asked why you thought the story mattered. SteakNEggs got the response his posting merited, within the context of his position as previously stated.

You don't treat me as a blank slate every time we discuss a new topic, nor would I want you to. I'm not sure why you are expecting me to do that here.

 

[One Brow]

I think One wanted to continue the discussions but try to keep it contained to a single, easily ignorable, thread. If you remember, there were multiple discussions going on in multiple unrelated threads about trans issues.

I don't think you should bother talking to that poster. They make the same point over and over, never changing their position or interacting in a genuine way. You're just feeding them opportunities to repeat themself.

 

[LogGrad98]

I don't think you should bother talking to that poster. They make the same point over and over, never changing their position or interacting in a genuine way. You're just feeding them opportunities to repeat themself.

He finally gets it!