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I think people are forgetting that despite hacked emails leaking onto the web, a rampant Russia disinformation campaign, and Clinton’s baggage, Democrats won the popular vote by 3 million votes.

Knowledge of the Russian campaign alone imo would’ve tipped the scale in those 3 battleground states to clinton’s Favor.

Trump’s unpopularity alone and now economic failings in those states (google Foxconn) and potential crimes by Mueller will lead to a blowout.

Honestly, I’d be surprised to see trump on the ballot in 2020.

Having said all of that, campaigns matter. Democrats are notorious for running poor campaigns. They all too often let Fox News Drive the narratives. Plenty of time for them to screw the pooch.

But I’m tired of people acting like 2020 is like going up against Reagan in 84 or FDR in 36. The trump presidency is a miserable institution that wants to be killed off. It’s begging to be wiped out. I think winning for any democrat in 2020 will be far easier than in 2016. Easier than in 2008 even since McCain actually was qualified for the job.

I think the midterms showed us how much we are enjoying all of this “winning.” How many house seats did republicans lose again?
 
The Thriller said:
I think people are forgetting that despite hacked emails leaking onto the web, a rampant Russia disinformation campaign, and Clinton’s baggage, Democrats won the popular vote by 3 million votes.

Knowledge of the Russian campaign alone imo would’ve tipped the scale in those 3 battleground states to clinton’s Favor.

Trump’s unpopularity alone and now economic failings in those states (google Foxconn) and potential crimes by Mueller will lead to a blowout.

Honestly, I’d be surprised to see trump on the ballot in 2020.

Having said all of that, campaigns matter. Democrats are notorious for running poor campaigns. They all too often let Fox News Drive the narratives. Plenty of time for them to screw the pooch.

But I’m tired of people acting like 2020 is like going up against Reagan in 84 or FDR in 36. The trump presidency is a miserable institution that wants to be killed off. It’s begging to be wiped out. I think winning for any democrat in 2020 will be far easier than in 2016. Easier than in 2008 even since McCain actually was qualified for the job.

I think the midterms showed us how much we are enjoying all of this “winning.” How many house seats did republicans lose again?
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Yes. And it should. Because trump hogs all of the oxygen in the room people think he’s the love child of FDR, Tom Brady, and Lebron James. How’s that for a visual? As if he’s the very essence of success. The truth is far different. He’s a loser. He’s never been above 45 percent approval.

He lost the popular vote BEFORE anyone knew of Russian interference and its role in exacerbating cracks within the DNC and discouraging Bernie’s fans from voting. Before anyone knew who mueller even was. Before all of these indictments, trump tower meetings were known, and before nonvisitors of porn hub knew of stormy Daniels. Before kids were put in cages. Before the shutdown. And before whatever stupid *** thing trump does tomorrow.

* He lost the popular vote by 3 million when he was far less known and far better liked.
* He won 3 battleground states that Hillary neglected by a total of 80,000 votes. That’s not happening again.
* The 2 years have been supportive of dem resurgence and trump failings. Special elections leading up to the midterms saw increases in dem spending and voting. Hell, even in utah democrats won (Ben McAdams). Utah county and southern salt lake county are hardly considered liberal sanctuaries. With trump campaigning Almost every night he lost 40 (gerrymandered) house seats.

2020 isn’t going to be easy. I think the electoral college always favors states with lower populations. And the media will always chase trump because he’s so loud. But let’s not pretend like he’s some successful president. He’s been a complete failure and he’s turned off millions of people. His approval rating is down to 38 percent. What’s he gonna do to improve on that? Especially when we consider Mueller’s potentially devastating report?
 
I love how Howard Schultz has terrible poll numbers across the political spectrum. If anything, I think he might hurt affluent republicans who don’t want to re-elect trump but can’t bring themselves to vote for a democrat.

Ask anyone (including Howard) what he’s for and they can’t answer. He’s just another rich person who used the bridge when he needed it and now doesn’t want anyone else to use it. He’s against reestablishing the higher taxes that helped him get out of the projects.

Had he grown up in today’s America, his ability to climb the socio-economic ladder would be significantly hindered.
 
The Thriller said:
I love how Howard Schultz has terrible poll numbers across the political spectrum. If anything, I think he might hurt affluent republicans who don’t want to re-elect trump but can’t bring themselves to vote for a democrat.

Ask anyone (including Howard) what he’s for and they can’t answer. He’s just another rich person who used the bridge when he needed it and now doesn’t want anyone else to use it. He’s against reestablishing the higher taxes that helped him get out of the projects.

Had he grown up in today’s America, his ability to climb the socio-economic ladder would be significantly hindered.
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https://politics.theonion.com/howard-schultz-considering-independent-presidential-run-1832126653
 
gandalfe said:
https://politics.theonion.com/howard-schultz-considering-independent-presidential-run-1832126653
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Lol

Exactly.

But hey, he’s richer than god so he can do this **** rather than... you know... making the world a better place by promoting good candidates, education, or political positions with evidence supporting them.

This is a problem. Not sure if we’ve ever been without it. But with the excessive wealth inequality combined with the ease of distributing really awful information, we have just waaaayyyy too many people with platforms giving them influence that they shouldn’t have.

Anti-Vax celebrities, Donald trump, Howard Shultz, Gweneth Paltrow, and the kardashians all come to mind.

Have you seen the Fyre documentary yet?
 
Presidential hopeful Pete Buttigieg (D) on Sunday dismissed President Trump's efforts to portray Democratic policy pitches as "socialism," arguing that the term no longer carries negative connotations.

“I think he's clinging to a rhetorical strategy that was very powerful when he was coming of age 50 years ago, but it's just a little bit different right now," Buttigieg, the South Bend, Ind., mayor who has launched an exploratory committee to run for president, said on CNN's "State of the Union."
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/429334-buttigieg-the-word-socialism-has-lost-its-meaning
 
But but but I was told giving billions away in tax cuts for the rich while raising them for everyone else and shutting the government down for a month was gonna make America great again! I blame Hillary! And Benghazi! And the media!!!

 
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But but but I was told giving billions away in tax cuts for the rich while raising them for everyone else and shutting the government down for a month was gonna make America great again! I blame Hillary! And Benghazi! And the media!!!

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But it probably created a ton of jobs. How will a single mother find three $10/hr jobs if our betters can't make millions upon millions of dollars a year?
 
Andrew Yang makes a lot of sense.

I don't know enough about him yet - but there's definitely some intriguing stuff.

And he's talking about the one thing that politicians are either afraid to talk about or have no clue about - and that's how AI is going to completely decimate the lower half of the American job landscape within 10 to 12 years.
 
So did democrats learned from their failure in 2016 and will support a normal candidate this time?
 
MVP said:
So did democrats learned from their failure in 2016 and will support a normal candidate this time?
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Not her biggest fan, but Hillary is about as close to a bog standard normal politician as you'll find. Big part of why she lost tbh. Apparently a large segment of America had no interest in normal.
 
Zombie said:
Not her biggest fan, but Hillary is about as close to a bog standard normal politician as you'll find. Big part of why she lost tbh. Apparently a large segment of America had no interest in normal.
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I thought she lost because she was corrupt and people had to chose between two evils?
 
candrew said:
Andrew Yang makes a lot of sense.

I don't know enough about him yet - but there's definitely some intriguing stuff.

And he's talking about the one thing that politicians are either afraid to talk about or have no clue about - and that's how AI is going to completely decimate the lower half of the American job landscape within 10 to 12 years.
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AI will destroy that or automation?
 
candrew said:
Andrew Yang makes a lot of sense.

I don't know enough about him yet - but there's definitely some intriguing stuff.

And he's talking about the one thing that politicians are either afraid to talk about or have no clue about - and that's how AI is going to completely decimate the lower half of the American job landscape within 10 to 12 years.
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I saw a brief segment on Joe Rogan where he talked about college. Was glad that someone addressed the issue that we’ve oversold the idea of college. We’ve engrained it so much into our culture that you do college just because.

However, I think we need to stop talking about how to find kids going to college or trade school or whatever but taking worthless high school and actually allowing people to come out with skills. **** free college. Allow kids to come out of high school with welding training, radiology technician certificates, medical assisting, automechanics. So stupid that we want to delay this and make it more expensive by paying for both.
 
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