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Derek Chauvin Murder Trial

How much jail time is expected? Rest of his life?
At least 12.5 years and up to 40 according to The NY Times and USA Today.

 
At least 12.5 years and up to 40 according to The NY Times and USA Today.
Honestly, that seems fair. This is a bad dude, but I'm not sure he deserves life in prison. Just my opinion.

At the same time, let's all keep in mind that this wasn't one rogue guy. The law enforcement system needs to get a lot better. Someone hired this guy. Someone trained this guy. Someone deemed him fit for service. Someone passed him on a psych evaluation. Some of the methods he used were supposedly allowed by their policies. If we as a society consider justice served just because this guy was found guilty, nothing will really change. A lot of people whos names will never be mentioned are partially culpable.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the other officers that were there during the incident.
 
Ok, I looked up his record, He did spent time in prison, more than once, and it is mainly for cocaine possession, so he did have a drug problem. His record is as follows:
  1. He served five years in prison for armed robbery which he participated in with five other individual and committed in 2007. It was the last time he committed a criminal offense.
  2. Altogether his criminal record includes 5 convictions related to theft, possession, and trade of coke. His last cocaine arrest dates back to 2005, and he served ten months in the state jail. He also was involved in two more cocaine offenses, in October 2002 and in 2004, for which he did eight-months and ten-months sentence in prison respectively.
  3. He was also linked to two convictions in the 1990s for possession and theft of a controlled substance (cocaine). However, it is not clear whether or not Floyd served his time in prison for this felony.
  4. He was accused of a firearm robbery in August 1998 for which he served 10 months at Harris County Jail. In April 2002, Floyd was condemned to 30 days of prison for trespassing private property.
So, that gives the police the right to brutalize him? Let me tell you, I've been in prison and they are brutal and racist, and if you go to a max security prison, you will find mostly black inmates.

I know it was 30 years ago, but I almost took an English teaching position in a max security prison in upstate NY. I was hired and went to sign paperwork and get my ID at the prison. As I passed through the hallway past the cells, I saw no white inmates and the guards addressed the inmates as "boy." But the greatest shocker was when I entered the guard's office where I had to do my paperwork and get my ID. Draping one of the wall's was a huge 15-foot Confederate flag. And no, this wasn't Alabama or South Carolina. This was upstate NY. After I left I declined the offer of the job. I also called the State Department of Corrections and reported it. Whether they took it down is anyone's guess.


Ironically this is about the 10th time I've seen in this post as Alabama being oh so racist. I've lived all over the world and the states and Alabama is probably one of if not the least racist state currently in existence.

Now Arkansas, that place is crazy racist.
 
Good. Justice was served. Can’t imagine life in prison as a racist former cop is going to be very fun. But Derek has certainly earned it! Enjoy!

Rep Waters was way out of line with her comments. She needs to be more mindful of the power of her office and use her words to turn down the temperature.

we still have a perverted out of control criminal justice system that needs to gutted. Reform the police, end the war on drugs, get rid of private prisons, and stop incarcerating so many people! There’s still a lot of work to be done. No reason why anyone should still be locked up for marijuana related crimes.

But this is a good first step in serving justice and restoring a little bit of faith in our country.

See that wasn't so hard was it.
 
Not only is what Rep Waters said a problem because it encouraged potential violence. The bigger issue for me was that she was advocating for a system where the outcome of a trial should be determined by factors and influences that exist outside the courtroom. That is not our system. That is not a system that can function in any way that I would describe as "justice."

If Chauvin had been found innocent the issue I would have had is with the law primarily, but also with the common regard people have for the actions of law enforcement as being inherently justified and the disregard so many still have (and have been expressed in this thread) for the lives of black people.
 
Are the other officers going to trial? Have they been fired at least?

What reforms would you like to see? One thing Id like to see changed is if you’re fired from one force, you cannot be re-hired by another force. The officer who ****ed Lauren McClosky’s case and was fired for showing fellow officers nude photos and lying about it from the U of U police force and found a job in Logan’s force. That shouldn’t happen. If you’ve proven to be a disaster on one force, you shouldn’t be able to be hired for another to further harass and abuse the public. The standards for police work are already embarrassingly low.
 
Not only is what Rep Waters said a problem because it encouraged potential violence. The bigger issue for me was that she was advocating for a system where the outcome of a trial should be determined by factors and influences that exist outside the courtroom. That is not our system. That is not a system that can function in any way that I would describe as "justice."

If Chauvin had been found innocent the issue I would have had is with the law primarily, but also with the common regard people have for the actions of law enforcement as being inherently justified and the disregard so many still have (and have been expressed in this thread) for the lives of black people.
The mere fact that most of us probably expected a far different ruling just goes to show how out of control our law enforcement is. Who is being protected and served when police routinely abuse and kill the public with little or no any accountability? So little accountability that we’re shocked when they’re held accountable despite having a 10 minute video of the crime!
 
It wasn't Alabama. It was NY. I was trying to emphasize how racist the US is.
Ironically this is about the 10th time I've seen in this post as Alabama being oh so racist. I've lived all over the world and the states and Alabama is probably one of if not the least racist state currently in existence.

Now Arkansas, that place is crazy racist.

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Are the other officers going to trial? Have they been fired at least?

What reforms would you like to see? One thing Id like to see changed is if you’re fired from one force, you cannot be re-hired by another force. The officer who ****ed Lauren McClosky’s case and was fired for showing fellow officers nude photos and lying about it from the U of U police force and found a job in Logan’s force. That shouldn’t happen. If you’ve proven to be a disaster on one force, you shouldn’t be able to be hired for another to further harass and abuse the public. The standards for police work are already embarrassingly low.
Have you read zero about the other officers or only get off to vox and buzz feed?
 
Not only is what Rep Waters said a problem because it encouraged potential violence. The bigger issue for me was that she was advocating for a system where the outcome of a trial should be determined by factors and influences that exist outside the courtroom. That is not our system. That is not a system that can function in any way that I would describe as "justice."

If Chauvin had been found innocent the issue I would have had is with the law primarily, but also with the common regard people have for the actions of law enforcement as being inherently justified and the disregard so many still have (and have been expressed in this thread) for the lives of black people.
Iawtp.

You alt right, sob
 
3. Everyone who has written, tweeted that the kid was unarmed and doesn't explain the 800 millisecond thing.
I suppose some people think you should use more than .842 seconds before deciding to kill someone.

He was running, with a gun in his hand, discreetly got rid of the gun the cops saw in his hand all the while turning around and raising his hands at them.
Except, he didn't raise his hands at them. He raised them up along his sides. Check the video again.

If the cops hesitated then shot, it's murder. 100% This one is tough cause I can't say the cop didn't fear for his life.
I'm sure the cop was afraid. Most of them seem to be.
 
Excellent take. Because I’m just a tribal *** clown and never criticize my own side.
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I shouldn't have worded it that way. Anyways though, to the broader point, Maxine Waters lives in a rich, gated community in a 4.5 million home with armed guards. She is completely out of touch and impervious to the mayhem on the streets she causes rattling off statements like this. This was the common denominator in everyone fanning the fumes this summer from Pelosi to all the A list celebrities and athletes.....rich neighborhood, gated community, personal security. and no need for the police. Well, lets just see how well that works out going forward...LA murders at 322 last year, up 30%. Chicago murders up 50% last year to 750, mostly inner city minority . 437 New York City murders, up 40%. These are giant numbers.
 
This is what the police said about George Floyd’s death nearly one year ago. Think they omitted a few key details? Gee, why would they do that?

 
I shouldn't have worded it that way. Anyways though, to the broader point, Maxine Waters lives in a rich, gated community in a 4.5 million home with armed guards. She is completely out of touch and impervious to the mayhem on the streets she causes rattling off statements like this. This was the common denominator in everyone fanning the fumes this summer from Pelosi to all the A list celebrities and athletes.....rich neighborhood, gated community, personal security. and no need for the police. Well, lets just see how well that works out going forward...LA murders at 322 last year, up 30%. Chicago murders up 50% last year to 750, mostly inner city minority . 437 New York City murders, up 40%. These are giant numbers.
I really don’t care where she lives. I don’t want politicians weighing in on trials. Especially when the case is high profile and the rhetoric used isn’t helpful. What’s ironic is you describing me as tribal. I’m a liberal but I’m critical of my side. Unlike you Trumpers who have your heads so far up his *** you still can’t walk straight.
 
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